outer darkness mormon
Through baptism and confirmation by priesthood authority, you became a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, 2004, p. 21, So, even if you attended LDS Church services, sang the hymns, and even partook of the weekly sacrament, yet you were never baptized and confirmed into the faith, you can never become a son of perdition. But what is light? Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. Unless someone has rejected love, like the Nephites, I believe there is still hope that they will repent. [3] Larry E. Dahl, The Concept of Hell, in Doctrines of the Book of Mormon (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1992), 4243. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [i.e., overcome or defeated by Christs Atonement]. The manual Gospel Principles sheds additional light: There is no forgiveness for them, for they denied the Holy Spirit after having received it. Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). 14:18.) There was a movement a few years ago to have people deny the holy spirit on Youtube, where many a youtuber claimed they would now go to Outer Darkness. 4:32; 3 Ne. In Outer Darkness, there is endless lamentation and no divine presence. 22:13-14, D-R.). Even the most evil of people, including Adolph Hitler and those of his ilk, appear to have a place reserved for them in nothing less than the telestial kingdom. Clear as mud. Into the telestial kingdom will go, according to that which is written here in this revelation, the vicious, the unclean, the ungodly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27). When I bring this issue up with some Latter-day Saints, I sometimes get defensive arguments. In this parable, a king arranged a wedding for his son, but the normal guests did not come; therefore, the king sent his servants to gather guests from off the street. The Book of Mormon provides another testament concerning the existence of hell, and explains how one can escape the chains of hell in this life, and an everlasting hell in the next life, through application of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. to become a son of perdition? Mormon theology ultimately portrays Outer Darkness as heaven, and Satan as the God of that realm. Though we have this clarity in the scriptures that we carry with us daily, few members are aware that this insight is there." Often in the scriptures it is difficult to discern which helltemporary or permanentis being spoken of, since many references to hell in the scriptures are used in a nonspecific manner to simply designate a place or state of suffering for the wicked. D&C 76 does say telestial people are the ones thrust down to hell and not redeemed until the last resurrection. Whats interesting is that there are many former Mormons who still believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and have a testimony of the Spirit of the Lord. However, their faith no longer is in the Jesus of Mormonism but the Jesus of the Bible. What is it? The apostle James taught that the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity . (Elder Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). So the prophet, meeting with apostles is clear on this, there are women. Jesus marvelled at the faith of a centurion he met in Capernaum and proclaimed that many would come from the east and west, and [would] sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Again Mormons think this is a very hard place to get into. Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The. 5:22), burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire (Matt. So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. So get what they deserve. Yet how many sins and wrong choices has every humanincluding me and youmade? It is simply his opinion. I did cite sources spoken from the pulpit by a prophet. https://www.mormonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Outer_Darkness&oldid=27067. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church. We found these portrayals to be highly inaccurate. Polygamy with tons more men than women sounds ill-thought out. The sinner must deal with the self-created gulf on his own, with the help of the Savior and his Atonement. The Prophet Joseph Smith would not countenance the teaching of this doctrine, and sanctioned the decision of the bishop that any who taught it should be barred from communion (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 125). A representation of the tree degrees of glory and outer darkness. For example, John saw the judgment in vision and wrote that death and hell delivered up the dead . So, in the Mormon view, none of these so-called polygamist marriages are valid, religiously or legally. That last part of the previous sentence is very important. In this state of torment Alma remembered his fathers teachings about Jesus Christ and his redemptive mission. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous; and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire, which ascendeth up unto God forever and ever, and hath no end (1 Ne. Alma the Younger contributed even more insight on the second death when he gave the wicked people of Ammonihah a detailed description of the fate of those who harden their hearts against the word of God: Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, if we have hardened our hearts against the word, insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned. ; Mormon Temple Worship. 4. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition. Even the wicked of the earth who never knew the power of God, after they have paid the price of their sinningfor they must suffer the excruciating torment which sins will bringshall at last come forth from the prison house. Yea, Alma wrote, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for which I was tormented with the pains of hell (Alma 36:13). To the Church in Smyrna the Apostle John wrote: He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (Rev. That being said, I don't think it really matters at the end of the day, because if it is all real, I want to stay clear away from anyone who the Church says deserves the Celestial Kingdom. While many Latter-day Saints bristle at the doctrine of hell (i.e., How could a loving God send His children to such a place?), they may have not considered the fact that these spirits were never given the chance to have a physical body because of the wrong choice they made in the preexistence. 40 talks in 40 days for General Conference, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They have said things much stranger and I am sure you know of them. Please note that FAIRMormon states it is not doctrine on the website. They will not have access to the Holy Ghost or Heavenly Father or Jesus. But wait! Learn how your comment data is processed. WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL ANGELS WHO ARE INCAPABLE OF SINNING. Because of the resurrection, the body and spirit of the wicked are restoredthe body from the grave and the spirit from hell to be judged. Today, interpretation of these "outer darkness" verses are a subset of Protestant discussion on hell and annihilationism. Smith told a general conference audience: I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. This isnt something like going out and breaking their rule of no drinking. These are they who do two very specific things. . [1] The pains of hell can also be experienced in mortality (Jacob 3:11). https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God-banished entirely from his presence. Those who have never received the light are not to become Sons of Perdition (Conference Reports, October 1958, p. 21). Meanwhile, I have known many who could be considered fighters against the church, including those who became involved in what could be considered anti-Mormon activities. Smith taught: The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly. 2:11). Tenth President Joseph Fielding Smitha general authority who spoke more about this issue than any other leaderstated. And I said unto them that it was a representation of that awful hell, which the angel said unto me was prepared for the wicked. Additionally it provides helpful commentary on New Testament passages concerning hell. After the millennium, after the last great battle between the forces of God and the forces of Satan, Satan and his followers will be cast into Outer Darkness. Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. Cannot be saved at the last day; except W.W. Phelps who was classified as such by Joseph and then redeemed, and we should only trust prophets on the matter because they dont conflict, unless they do. . 6:8). The Plan of Salvation kind of negates the reason for missionary work. Here, like John and Samuel, Alma equated the second death with the lake of fire and brimstone. Even the regular Wikipedia seems confused: Sons of Perdition are: The pre-mortal spirit followers of Satan. The wicked are cast into outer darkness until the time of their resurrection, Alma 40:13-14. The question is, what exactly does full knowledge entail? So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie have rejected the idea that those in perdition can ultimately be redeemed, which contradicts Brighams speculations. They will not have a kingdom of glory. . Consistently, hell is associated with fire. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. They are the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. (Matt. These men and women cannot be redeemed, and will be the only ones who will suffer the second death. ", Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_darkness&oldid=1136269337, This page was last edited on 29 January 2023, at 15:14. And as such I would qualify. As soon as you define doctrine in a way that includes wikipedia, get back to me. Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. Thank you! 185 Heber J. In Mormonism, it depends. 10:28). 23:15). Those in this second group will be resurrected from the dead but will not be redeemed from the second (spiritual) death and cannot dwell in a kingdom of glory (D&C 88:32, 35). 3. Alma 40. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? We believe that after the final judgment there are four places to which a person may be sent. What is Outer Darkness? This is a place very close in nature to the biblical hell. The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. In Mormonism, it depends. 20:14). For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. It must be emphasized that the witness described means that the person has had the heavens opened unto him and has personally seen, and even spoken with, the Savior, and then has turned against Him, bringing him to open shame. The Lord said no man knoweth So, theres probably a good reason that there is some debate and confusion on it. John the Revelator heard Christ proclaim that he possessed the keys of hell and of death (Rev. To look closer at this possibility, lets break humans into two categories: 1) Those who have never been Mormon; 2) Those who are or once were Mormon. . 2. Continuous suffering, however, is reserved only for sons of perditionthose who are still unclean after the final judgment. Concerning the first resurrection John observed: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years (Rev. So apostates from the church are clearly included in this list. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). Jacob identified death and hell as temporal and spiritual death. Latter Day Saint beliefs on hell are connected with the movement's doctrines of the plan of salvation, the degrees of glory and the telestial kingdom. and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell (James 3:6). 22:13). In the parable of the wedding of the kings son, the king discovered that a guest was not properly attired in the required wedding garment, i.e., righteousness. Utterly turn against god. Alma 40. 2. 21:8; see also 19:20). One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. 28:2223). Those consigned to hell or outer darkness are partakers of the second death, and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone. Well thats wrapped up as long as no other prophets said oh. And remember you can be excommunicated for asking church leaders to give solid answers so trust the apologists who say to only trust the prophets on matters like this. lift[ed] up his eyes and saw Abraham and Lazarus across an impassable gulf (Luke 16:23). T F It is practically impossible for those who were human to ever be sent to Outer Darkness. [4] Augustine, The City of God, trans. It is the closest Mormon analogy to the concept of hell in most other Christian traditions. Christ brings to pass the resurrection of all menThe righteous dead go to paradise and the wicked to outer darkness to await the day of their resurrectionAll things will be restored to their proper and perfect frame in the Resurrection. Therefore, they have drunk out of the cup of the wrath of God, which justice could no more deny unto them than it could deny that Adam should fall because of his partaking of the forbidden fruit; therefore, mercy could have claim on them no more forever. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the tormented rich man in hell . For most, outer darkness, the lake of fire, and the second death have an end, but for the sons of perdition these states continue eternally. The Book of Mormon teaches that after death, the spirits of those who "chose evil works rather than good" in mortality will be "cast out . Then is the time when their torments shall be as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever; and then is the time that they shall be chained down to an everlasting destruction, according to the power and captivity of Satan, he having subjected them according to his will. It occurs in a doctrinal discussion Alma conducted with his son Corianton. 12:22; Morm. One example would not be human since they were cast out of heaven with Satan before they could receive a body. They must have had a fullness of knowledge; a testimony which cannot be destroyed. As explained in D&C 88:11-13: In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. The Book of Mormon discusses with great clarity the ultimate punishment reserved exclusively for the sons of perdition, or those who are filthy still (2 Ne. Another manual states, Baptism is the first saving ordinance of the gospel (see Articles of Faith 1:4). Any person who inherits one of the . Plagiarism and The Globe a comparative analysis, The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism), https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf, https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, LDS Church and Same Sex Marriage Timeline, The Pump LDS film and the original source, Ethan Smith, Hyrum Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Solomon Spaulding connections. Chapter 40. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Some Christians have believed the lake of fire John spoke of to be a literal lake. First, LDS Church scripture uses the term outer darkness to refer to a condition in the spirit world. For those born in this life, the person must be a former member who knew Mormonism was true but still rebelled and went against the truth while still knowing it was true. Clearly you dont know what is and is not doctrine, and are trying to throw shade. Thank you! For example: everlasting fire (Matt. Sons of Perdition are to be cast out with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. In the Book of Mormon the phrase lake of fire and brimstone is used as a metaphor for the suffering that awaits the wicked. What qualifies a person to be a Son of Perdition? The ex-mortal sons of perdition will be resurrected, as will everyone else; but they will finally suffer the second death, the spiritual death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. (Hel. Just one sin. [Discourse given on 20 January 1895.] And now behold, I say unto you then cometh a death, even a second death, which is a spiritual death; then is a time that whosoever dieth in his sins, as to a temporal death, shall also die a spiritual death; yea, he shall die as to things pertaining unto righteousness. They have wilfully (sic) made themselves servants of Satan and servants to him shall they remain forever. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! lucifer. . With the exception of those who left the church and later rejoined, every other former Mormon left the church because they believed it is not true. True, some former Mormons have expressed doubts and wondered if the church might possibly be true, which is a completely natural response after having left the one true church. If they decided they made a mistake because they still believed the church were true, they would be more apt to rejoin it rather than stay excommunicated and fight against it. (Selections of Doctrines of Salvation, p. 462. By EntropyJustKillUsNow, March 29, 2017 in Social Hall. Banishment from the presence of God. While Christianity affirms that many people who were created by God will perish in hell, Mormonism also espouses this . [1], Other views include those of Zane C. Hodges who controversially suggested that it represents a place for those who make it to heaven based on their faith, but have failed to perform good works during their time on the earth.[2]. Thus ensued the War in Heaven, which resulted in Satan and his followers being cast out of heaven and denied the opportunity of receiving a physical body. it could be a reference for the resurrected who gain inheritance on other worlds but without the fulness of Joseph Fielding Smith who said that this class is composed of all who have known the power of God in this mortal life and then, having full knowledge of the power and purposes of God,rebel against him, putting Jesus Christ to open shame (Doctrines of Salvation 2:219-220.